Living Forever! (or at least Aging Well)
with Jennifer Scheinman

The 5 AM Miracle Podcast, hosted by Jeff Sanders

Episode #577: Living Forever! (or at least Aging Well) with Jennifer Scheinman

Jeff Sanders
Would you like to live to 100 or at least age well no matter how long you live? If so, I've got a supplement you're going to want to learn more about. This is the 5am Miracle, episode number 577, Living Forever, or at least aging well, with Jennifer Scheinman. Good morning, Ed, welcome to the 5 a.m. Miracle. I am Jeff Sanders, and this is the podcast, dedicated to Diamond, your day before breakfast. My goal is to help you bounce out of bed with enthusiasm, create powerful lifelong habits, and tackle your grandest goals with extraordinary energy. I am a keynote speaker and corporate trainer, specializing in delivering high energy, interactive, and action-oriented presentations and workshops, focused on productivity, wellness, and personal and professional growth. If you want to learn more, head over to jeffsanders.com slash speaking. Now, in episode this week, I speak with Jennifer Scheinman. Jennifer is a seasoned, registered dietitian nutritionist with over 20 years of experience in nutrition and wellness. She holds a master's degree in integrative and functional nutrition and has advanced training from the Institute of Functional Medicine. As the senior manager of Nutrition Affairs at Timeline, Jennifer educates health care professionals and consumers on cellular nutrition and the postbiotic molecule, urolithin A. The interview this week is sponsored by Mata Pure from Timeline, and Jennifer is here to teach us about how we can boost our athletic performance and improve our health as we age. Let's get to it.

Jennifer Scheinman
Hi, I'm so glad to be here. Thanks for having me on.

Jeff Sanders
I want to begin today with a bit of your backstory and specifically your journey with health and nutrition. I know I have a whole backstory of falling in love with marathony and doing that in my 20s and that really got me into health as a focus for me. But what was it for you that really got your attention in terms of health and wellness?

Jennifer Scheinman
Well, I was sort of one of the lucky folks that grew up with a relatively healthy, but like health focused family. And it wasn't really until I went to college. I was a vegetarian when I went to college. And I started, you know, it was way more than the college 15 that I put on and was really struggling with healthy eating. and, you know, and so that was sort of where I turned getting into nutrition at that point for myself first and understanding like, wow, what my mom was feeding me actually made an impact on how I feel. I was actually in college, believe it or not, I was, I was a biology major and I wanted to be a veterinarian and quickly learned, like, I faint every time I see blood and that wasn't the angle for me. And one of my friends, it's like, what am I going to do with a bio major if I'm not going to a veterinary school, I'm not going to medical school. school. So one of my friends was like, well, you're really into nutrition and really into eating well. You should look into this career in nutrition. I didn't even know that was a thing back then. And so lo and behold, that, you know, I started looking into it. And now, you know, it's almost 30 years after I graduated at high school, I should say. And I've been loving this career. And there's just been so many different avenues that I've worked in and so much I've learned and so much has changed. So it's been a really, really fun journey.

Jeff Sanders
Yeah, that's awesome. It's always great to kind of discover health in a way that's transformative. I know the one thing that I found in my mid-20s-ish was I changed my diet radically began to run marathons. I saw just talking to your point earlier of what you eat really affects how you feel. And for the first time my life, I was like, wait a minute, if I eat healthier, I feel better. Like, why have I not done this yet? My college years were not healthy. And so for me to recover from that, you know, throughout my 20s was a really big, you know, moment for me there. what do you think has been kind of a through line for you in terms of staying healthy long term? Because I know one of the challenges that I've had over the years is I have seasons where I'm healthy and seasons where I'm not. What do you tend to lean on to kind of keep yourself kind of long term healthy?

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah, that's a great question. And I think the first thing is having, you know, some grace and forgiveness to yourself. Like we, I think people that tend to be healthy and then we look at like people who maybe are not. I think they look at the healthy people and are like, you guys do this. every day and it's easy. And I think what the difference is is we don't necessarily do it every day. We have periods where we fall off the wagon or, you know, it's the holidays or whatever. But we are so much better at self-correcting and sort of recognizing and also not getting really frustrated and angry with ourselves. And so I think that's really the biggest thing is recognizing that everybody has challenges and struggles when it comes to taking care of their health. But just letting that go having forgiveness and just starting as soon as possible. Like now is a perfect time to say, okay, I'm going to try and do something different this afternoon and not get caught up in this story of I can't or I'm not that type of person.

Jeff Sanders
I think the common thing is, you know, I'll begin tomorrow. You know, tomorrow is always tomorrow, which just goes on indefinitely. But yeah, beginning now is always great. One thing that kind of got into my radar recently was this conversation around longevity. I definitely want to talk to you about. And it got on my radar because of a documentary I saw from this tech entrepreneur named Brian Johnson, who was basically trying to live forever. And he has this entire story of how he's just testing everything. And when I took away with that documentary was mostly this perspective of experimentation has a lot of value and trying to figure out what works for you is important. And so I guess from your angle, what do you think that the science is telling us around why we age, how we can age better? Like, what is the story there?

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah. Well, I think, you know, Brian Johnson's journey is really fascinating. And he's taking longevity sort of to another level. And, you know, he's very lucky that he has a lot of tools at his disposal, which most of us don't have. But, you know, what's interesting is he is actually looking at the science, the biology of aging. And we're in this really incredible space right now where science has unlocked, they call them these 12 hallmarks of aging. And what they really simply are, there's cellular processes, biological processes, where you can basically accelerate these hallmarks and accelerate aging. So I think a great example of that is we know that smoking will accelerate the aging process. And then there are certain habits like certain dietary interventions, which can slow down or put the brakes on the aging process. So these 12 hallmarks, they don't, you know, they don't live in a vacuum. They all sort of talk together. And some of them are things people may have heard of like inflammation or inflamaging. That's a sort of a buzzword right now. That's one of these hallmarks changes in your gut microbiome. So the bacteria, the concentration and the type of bacteria that are in your gut, those changes we age. And then there's things that are a little more sort of science-y based on, you know, I don't know how scientific some of your audience is, but things like mitochondrial decline or cell senticence, which is sort of the cells and how they do. And how they die and replicate. So there's a lot of scientific reasons why we age. But the cool thing is, is that we not only know these processes, but we have a lot of tools that can slow down. I don't think we're at a point yet where we can say stop or reverse aging, but we do have things that we know are accelerating aging and things that we know that can slow it down. And that's sort of what Brian Johnson is playing with is he's using a lot of these very advanced or even not scientifically proven yet. There's sort of emerging types of interventions. And he's really applying them and what we like to call in science an end of one where he's testing these things on himself and then sharing all of that data with us to kind of, you know, look at and see what's applicable to us and what's, you know, something that maybe is not for us to use yet.

Jeff Sanders
Yeah, I mean, he's doing everything in the world to fix his aging, which is kind of fascinating too. But I mean, from my perspective, you know, one thing I can take away from that is he may be doing, you know, a hundred things a day to be healthy. But what do you think are kind of our biggest opportunities every day to fight the aging process and a more kind of down-to-earth way and less of the on-the-mountaintop kind of way that he has?

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah. So, you know, and even he will say that for the vast majority of us, the things that we need to be doing are like the basics, right? We need to be eating foods that nourish our body and support our health and that limit ingredients and, you know, nutrients that maybe are not healthy. helping us, right? So like sugar is a prime example of that. We need to be exercising. And I know there's a lot of debate in the health community about what is the ideal exercise that we should be doing. Is it strength training? Is it cardio? And to be honest, for the best majority of it's a mix of all of that, but it's also move more. Those of us who sit at our desk all day long, even if you do exercise for an hour a day, but you're sitting for eight hours, that's really detrimental to our health. Sleep is a huge thing. And usually I think that's the one we address the least. We're so focused on exercise. We're so focused on eating well, but we're not really paying attention to the quality of our sleep. We, you know, shave off the ends by waking up early and going to bed late so we can be more productive. But sleep is really, really critical. And then there's other things which studies are showing, you know, community, spirituality, you know, doing things that you love, being out in nature. Like, these are all things that are going to help you to live. not only a healthier life, but a more fulfilling life, which then also leads to leaving a longer life as well.

Jeff Sanders
Yeah, I was curious about that kind of focus. Do you think it's actually healthy to think about aging as much or more healthy to think about just living a great life now? because I feel like you could kind of find yourself almost like too focused on the future and less focused on the now.

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah, absolutely. You know, I think it's like this fine balance of making sure that what you're doing is setting yourself up for, you know, a healthy life, but also having enjoyment and what you do today. You know, I think it's sort of like similar to even like financial goals, right? Like you want to make sure that you're setting yourself up for what will hopefully be a long healthy life. But you also want to be able to enjoy the here and now as well and find. that balance. And so I think that lifestyle is exactly that same thing. I, you know, I watch Brian Johnson's documentary as well. And while I'm absolutely fascinated by what he's doing, that's not a life I personally would want to live tethered to being tested every day, you know, eating foods, not for enjoyment, but just strictly for what they're providing your body, you know, making sure you go to bed at exactly the same time. It's very regimented and it feels a little lonely to me. And I think to your question that you said earlier, too, about just personalization, I think that's where all of this comes in. Like, he seems to be fulfilled by that lifestyle. I am not, right? And so that's, you got to do what feels right for you as an individual, too.

Jeff Sanders
Yeah, certainly. I think the journey of being, you know, healthy and happy is a very, like, individual journey in many ways. So what reason why I have you on the show this week is discuss what you're doing over at Timeline and the work with. might appear, which is a supplement that I have tested myself and I want to hear more from you as well from this angle of longevity and being healthier long term. What is it? How does it work? Let's kind of break down the basics here.

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah. Well, I'm excited to be here to talk about this because, you know, while nothing will replace the basics that I just talked about, diet, exercise, lifestyle, that doesn't mean there aren't things that you can do on top of that to really take your health to the next level. And, you know, I think supplements are something that's become really popular these days. And people are, you know, I think some people are using them, unfortunately, as replacements for healthy behaviors, but a lot of people are using them to augment all the hard work that they're doing with their lifestyle. And one of the things about timeline and why I personally joined the team here is that the supplement industry really is kind of like rife with, you know, pseudoscience and poor quality ingredients. And the first thing that really attracted me about what timeline is doing is that they are really putting a lot of work into the transparency and quality of their ingredients, which is something called mitochondrial. And we'll talk about that. But the thing that also spoke to me so much was the quality of science that is looking at these biological processes of aging that I talked about and really understanding how do these natural molecules target the specific biology of why we age. And that is what Mitopure is doing, as it's targeting. I mentioned this something called mitochondrial decline. And I'll break that down for people who maybe have put high school biology on the back burner and tried not to think about it. So I think when we hear mitochondria, it's like a reflex reaction, right? mitochondria, powerhouse of the cell. And that's because they supply ourselves with energy. And I like to think of them as little energy producing factories. But like all factories, they start to wear down with age. And so that means your cells have less cellular energy. And this, the science is very clear of tying mitochondrial decline to many different aspects of aging from muscle aging to cognition to immune and our skin aging. So what mitochondure does and the ingredient in there is something called urolithin A, which for a lot of your listeners is probably the first time they've heard that term, uroliphan A. That's the molecule. But it triggers this recycling process of those dysfunctional factories. So when those energy factories wear down, our body has the innate ability to break them down, demolish that and create new factories. And Midopure helps to trigger that process. So I'll let you ask a couple questions. I know that was a lot.

Jeff Sanders
No, that's great. I love, first of all, the fact that you're working with, you know, quality of great science and trying to knock down the pseudoscience world. And I say that because my kind of nutritional journey began like most people's does, which is on the internet, which is where I find everything under the sun when it comes to, you know, know, what can I trust? What can't I? What's legitimate? What's fake? And I feel like, especially in the world that I'm in now, like, I get, you know, hit with spam emails all day long. Everything we consume seems to be selling us something. And I just, the difference between a quality product and a non-quality one is more important to me now than it ever has been. So I really like that angle of the work you're doing there to make sure this is like legit stuff.

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah. Yeah. That's a whole other probably podcast is to talk about like the quality of supplements in general because I think most people don't realize that, um, you know, I could make something in my kitchen basically and get on Amazon and sell that and say, this is, you know, going to, you know, cure X, Y, Z. And it isn't really until you say, hey, FDA is that true, um, that I'm going to get caught where it's very different than like a pharmaceutical, which has to prove to the FDA, hey, I'm safe. Um, and so that's why something like third party testing is so critically important for what, whatever supplement, whether it's vitamin C or a multivitamin, looking to see that it's tested by an external party and saying, yep, what's in there is what it claims and it doesn't have any other additives.

Jeff Sanders
So in terms of what, I guess, Midepure is offering here is a chance to get more of the molecule you're mentioning here, the Eurlithin A, to make more of the recycling process take place or the mitochondria. Is that basically it?

Jennifer Scheinman
Absolutely. Absolutely, yeah. And I should just mention where this molecule urolithinae would enter your diet normally because I think that's important as well. So it's a little bit strange in the sense that it's not something that we will find in the food we eat directly. What's happening instead is our gut, everybody is getting very familiar with the critical importance of our gut microbiome. And these are bacteria that we house and live inside our gut. And what they do, I like to say, in very simple terms, is like, we give them room and bored. So the bacteria live in our gut, and they get to eat the things we don't digest. So certain fibers and in the case of urolithin, certain polyphenols in pomegranates, berries, and nuts, we won't digest them. But our gut microbiome will digest them for us. And basically, they pay us back in these. They're called postbiotics. So they'll pay us back at these postbiotics. And one of those, for example, is urolithinae, which then, exactly, as you said, will help trigger that recycling process. of our mitochondria.

Jeff Sanders
So in terms of like a dietary staple, does this, I'm trying to picture like where this fits into kind of a supplement protocol overall, because people will take, you know, vitamin D. You'll take, you know, a supplement to help of these things. Is this more like a on the fringe extra thing? Or do you view this more as like a, this is, should be a staple for most people? I guess that question of who is this really for?

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah, I think it should be a staple for most people. So when I look at dietary supplements, I mean, the word supplement specifically is something to supplement your diet, what you're not getting enough of in your diet. And we've actually studied populations around the world and really only about 30 to 40% of people have the right gut microbiome to make your allithinae. And then even for that small percentage of people who can make it, they're not eating enough of the dietary precursors. So you would actually have to drink six cups of pomegranate juice, which is way too much sugar to get the same impact that you're going to get from taking mitopure. So I think of this really as something foundational along with vitamin D, a multivitamin, you know, maybe, you know, some omega-3s, you know, again, depending on what's missing in your diet, I do think this is something most people aren't getting enough of in their diet. And because the studies have shown that it can be so impactful, not only in targeting the hallmarks of aging, but that mitochondrial decline, but real outcomes like muscle strength and muscle endurance. even in people who aren't exercising. So there can be some great benefits that are happening that you would be missing out on if you're not taking this.

Jeff Sanders
Yeah, I was going to ask, like, how, if you take this supplement, like, do you feel it actually, like working in your body? Or is there like a difference between taking it one day and then you feel healthier the next?

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah. So it takes a little bit of time to build up in the system. So this isn't something that you just take one pill and notice right away. You need to be committed to it. So what we see, I like to start first with what our science. scientific data has shown. And by the way, we can link to all of this data is published in peer-reviewed medical journals. So for anybody in your audience that really does like to nerd out on the research, we'll make sure we get that in our hands. But what we've seen in clinical studies is after about one month, we'll do muscle biopsies, and we'll see that that mitochondrial turnover has significantly been upregulated. So our mitochondria are healthier, they're producing more cellular energy. But for that to translate into something you actually will feel, it's going to be a little bit longer. So we see after like if you take about 500 milligrams, which is a starting dose, after about four months, we'll see a 12% improvement in muscle strength. And again, that was in people who weren't exercising. With a higher dose, with a thousand milligrams, we'll see a 17% improvement in muscle endurance. And that's just in two months. But the thing is, is that you've got to stick with it for a bit. And then, you know, we hear from thousands upon thousands of customers who are taking it, They feel things like just, you know, I like to call it like subtle energy. I feel like I can get through my day energized, but it's not like having a red bull or a cold brew where you feel that jittery energy. It's because it's built up in your system over time. You sort of reflect on the past couple of weeks and you're like, yeah, I felt awesome. Like I didn't crash at 3 p.m. Like I got up easily in the morning. The other thing that I personally noticed that we hear a lot as well is not being sore after like a hard day of like physical exertion. So if you do a really hard workout in the gym or in your case, it's like you do a long run on your marathon training and, you know, expecting to be really sore the next day and you're not. Or even just like, oh, I was going to clean out the garage today. And so I know I'm going to be sore tomorrow. And wow, I'm not. So that's another really like nice added bonus that people feel pretty often.

Jeff Sanders
Yeah, I actually just cleaned my garage recently. So that's a good example to use there. Yeah, this, I mean, this definitely. it sounds like the kind of supplement that, yeah, the increased muscle mass component, I mean, I have a lot of athletes who listen to this podcast, and I feel like the recovery aspect of an exercise routine is probably the most important because you want to be able to get back again and work out faster if possible. Does this play well, I guess, with other kind of, I guess, dietary choices, or are there other conflicts or other things you might consume that would make this more difficult to take, or is this, I think you can just add to your diet as it, as is now?

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah, so it's very, very safe. So you can take it with other supplements. You can take it, you know, you can take it, by the way, with or without food at any time of the day. You just really want to be consistent with taking it. So we haven't seen any significant difference with our placebo versus mitopure in terms of adverse events or any concerns there. I think it can play nicely with, you know, several other things. Like, first of all, like diet, exercise, sleep, those behaviors have to be the foundation. The nice thing is we did see results in people who didn't exercise and we didn't change their diet. So that's great news. But I would not call this replacement for those. So I think one of the areas where I think this can be really helpful, though, is, you know, I've been a dish for so many years. Like, you know, people know, like, I'm just too tired to cook dinner. I'm too tired to go to the gym. So if you have something that's helping to make you feel like you have a little bit more energy, you then can have a little bit more energy to cook dinner instead of do takeout or go to the gym or go for that walk. So I think it could be a really nice tool, but it's definitely not going to be a replacement for those. You know, and then of course, like if there's gaps in your diet, like, you know, multivitamin, omega-3, things I mentioned before, it's not going to fill those gaps, right? So it really can play nicely as like a foundational piece of your health, but also layered on to the other things that you're doing. Yeah, well, I think, you know, people, again, want to know, like the safety, that how are they going to feel, you know, and can I take it with other supplements? And so that's, you know, critically important. Dosing and how to take it are probably a couple other things people want to know. So there's two different, and we're talking here about the dietary supplement. There's two different ways that you can take it. The first is a soft gel, which is kind of like it's a beautiful red pill. And it's like kind of like the size and consistency of like a fish oil. So two of those would be 500 milligrams. But for people who either don't really want to take a pill or are already taking so many supplements, they're looking for something different, there's a berry flavored powder, which is. is wonderful to put into a smoothie. I personally love it. Like, I eat a lot of plain Greek yogurt, and so I'll mix it into my yogurt, and it gives like this really nice berry flavor. There's no added sweetener, so neither artificial sweeteners or added sugar. So it's a little bit tart, and it's really lovely. And it's also heat stable, so you could put it into like oatmeal or people bake like protein bars and put that into that. So you can kind of have fun with it that way. And then there is, just in case anyone goes to our website and is looking a little bit more about urillithine and mitopure, there is a topical version as well, which is really meant to target skin aging. And we have three products there, a day cream and night cream and a serum. And it's using the same mitochondrial technology, the same cellular turnover is happening just much more potent and localized in the skin cells. So what we see is this really nice reduction in fine lines and wrinkles. And another thing that's really unique about from the skin part aspect is that it actually helps to protect the skin from photo damage and resolve some of the inflammation that's happening when we get exposed to UV light from the sun. So it's not at all a sunblock replacement. You still need to take care to avoid the damaging effects of the sun. But it can help counterbalance when we are still getting that sun exposure. So that's another way to get your aliphon A into your, you know, on your body. I should say instead of being your body. Yeah.

Jeff Sanders
That's great. I love the fact you have a powder version of this. And I do do smoothies all the time. I probably have one actually at this call. I find that that the opportunity to kind of, you know, incorporate ingredients that I want in my diet in a convenient way, to the point you made earlier, if you know, don't have the energy to cook dinner, like if you can find ways to kind of combine these things together in a more simplistic package, I find smoothies to be my favorite go-to for all kinds of things. So having that built-in in is even better.

Jennifer Scheinman
Yep, yep. It's perfect for a smoothie. And I couldn't agree more. Like, you can throw in there, like some protein powder, you can throw in there some berries. You can throw in there your veggies. You can throw in there, you know, like creatine if you do that. And then you throw that your lithone in. You've just been able to get all these amazing benefits and nutrients in like, you know, one, one meal. So yeah, love a smoothie for sure.

Jeff Sanders
Yeah. In terms of you personally, as well, do you have any other healthy habits you love to go to? I personally love running marathons and going to the trails, but I'm always curious with people who are fascinated with health. What do you tend to lean on in terms of you just kind of feeling your best?

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah. So as I've gotten older and I'm comfortable sharing my age, I'll be 50 in a couple of months. I used to be a very big cardio girl and I loved running and, you know, spent a lot of time on treadmills and elliptical machines. And I have sort of changed a little bit more, and I'm focusing a lot more on strength training because we know that muscle is just so critically important to how we age. And most people, you know, I think are not doing enough, you know, not most people, but there's a good portion. I would say, at least of women my age that I work with that are not really doing enough strength training. And so I've really shifted into doing that. I have also moved my running. into the woods and onto trails, which my joints appreciate much more, and my mood appreciates much more as well. And so I, you know, I think this also goes back a little bit to what I was saying in the beginning about just, you know, how you stay with things long term, is listening to your body and having grace. And if your body is telling you, like, this is no longer serving me, that's okay. And that's sort of like the beauty of living a long, healthy life is that you get to experience. and try new things and change and grow and evolve. And so that's been something that's been really fun is getting into the trail running. That's a little new to me. And I've been really enjoying that.

Jeff Sanders
Yeah, and the whole idea of kind of adjusting and listening to your body has been a big focus for me. I turned 40 last year. And so I kind of feel you're paying there as far as aging, kind of catches up with you. These certain milestones remind you that you are aging. And I feel like with that, it's like I do shift things naturally because I'm aware. that there are seasons of my life that are different than the last ones.

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah. And I think there's seasons that not even just are based on age, right? It's like based on like what's going on in your life. Like if you have young children or you have, you know, your career is really in a busy place right now. And, you know, listening to that and respecting that, but always maintaining the baseline of, you know, your commitment to your health. You know, I was listening to, you know, we always say like health as well. And it's funny because I had somebody, I was listening to a podcast and they kind of like, took it one step further where it's like you have to invest in your health, just like you invest in your future. And so what you put in now pays you back in the future. And so, you know, I was like, oh yeah, that's nice to complete that sentence in that way. And so, you know, I think there's this fine line of right, not pushing ourselves too hard where we, you know, get injured or do something that's maybe not the greatest for us, but also making sure that we're keeping our health front and center.

Jeff Sanders
Yeah, one thing I did recently was I bought a new Garmin watch for running, and it has a lot more kind of biomarkers and trackers for all kinds of data that I don't, I haven't looked at forever, but having access to that kind of data on the fly, it keeps a top of mind for me. It's always there as a reminder, like, oh, yeah, I should sleep better tonight. I should go work out tomorrow. I should, you know, keep my heart rate down. And I find that that type of reminder for health there every day has been, for me, personally, really helpful.

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah, I love data too. I have an aura ring and it's just, you know, it's nice. I guess the first thing I do when I wake up in the morning is like, what did it tell me about my sleep last night? And, you know, just in a way to be sort of like competitive with yourself too. Like, oh, I want to make sure that I'm getting 10,000 steps a day or like, did I actually like hit my goal for activity today? And some days you don't. And that's okay, right? Again, recognizing that. But some days it's like, oh, I, you know, I should probably get moving. So the data is great. And I think that's one of, you know, I think that's one of. of the things that both Brian Johnson is doing, but that's kind of becoming much more accessible for most people is there's just so much, whether it's blood work or other biomark markers or wearables, you know, and tools that we can use, all this health tech that we can use that can have really meaningful impacts in not just our day to day, but in our longevity as well.

Jeff Sanders
Excellent. Jennifer, this has been awesome. I really enjoy this conversation. I'm thinking more about health now than I was before, which is the whole point. And so where can listeners learn more from you, more from timeline and get a hold of modipure?

Jennifer Scheinman
Yeah. So they can learn about timeline at timeline.com or on Instagram timeline longevity. So there'll be lots of, we're always sharing really great information just about the late breaking science of longevity. And then, of course, the more and more that we're uncovering about mitochondrial health and your Liphon A. And then me personally, I am at Jen Shineman Nutrition on Instagram as well.

Jeff Sanders
Okay, perfect. I'll have those links in our show notes this week for our listeners to get those direct links there. But other than that, Jennifer, thanks a lot.

Jennifer Scheinman
Thanks so much,

Jeff Sanders
Jeff. And for the action step this week, try Mata Pure from Timeline for yourself. I do want to thank Jennifer Scheinman for being a phenomenal guest in the show this week. And if you want to improve your cellular energy and muscle strength, might appear from Timeline is a supplement that could give you that extra edge. You can learn a lot more about it at my special link, jeffsanders.com slash timeline. That's jeffsanders.com slash timeline. And of course, subscribe to this podcast and your favorite podcast app, or go to 5am Miracle Premium.com to become a VIP member with lots of bonuses, including exclusive bonus episodes. And that's all I've got for you here on the 5 a.m. Miracle podcast this week. Until next time, you have the power to change your life, and all that fun begins bright and early.

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